Long Sutton, Hants exchange has FTTP?

Gigabit · Feb 24, 2015

Supposedly the Long Sutton exchange in Hampshire has FTTP? Would anybody be able to confirm this? I thought only FTTC was available.

Pedrostech · Feb 24, 2015

There's FTTPoD on some postcodes, but no GEA/WBC FTTP that I can see.

DTMark · Feb 25, 2015

It's possible... with 80% of Hampshire being rural by geography, some FTTP might be required to meet the targets.

But then the "targets" are rather vague to say the least.

The lower-bound target of 2Mbps could *probably* be achieved here by simply adding the VDSL service to both of the two cabinets.

Mark.J · Feb 25, 2015

Actual FTTP coverage is very tricky to identify, but I think as ever the only way to be sure is to stick a local phone number into BT's checker and see what comes up.

DTMark · Mar 2, 2015

List of live cabinets here..

http://www.hampshiresuperfastbroadband.com/about-the-project/live-cabinets/

Seems like our area has quietly, indeed silently, slipped back again. I'd thought it was supposed to be Phase 1 in 2014, then 2015 Q1, which has come and gone. Now it's some time between April and September. Maybe. Perhaps.

This line on the above page is a corker:

On average premises within 1200 metres of the cabinet will be able to connect to Superfast Broadband.

Even assuming that every cabinet has vectoring enabled from the start, which seems highly unlikely, Hampshire's VDSL implementation would seem to go beyond the laws of physics. Either that or the line here is the only one in Hampshire where the cable length is twice the physical distance.

Gigabit · Mar 7, 2015

It's interesting you say that mark, as there are now at least two Bentley FTTC cabinets ready to go.

They were working on ours just two weeks ago, so I think it will go live very soon.

Not that it'll affect you as you'll be in Amsterdam. Lucky you!

Gigabit · Mar 17, 2015

DTMark said:
List of live cabinets here..

http://www.hampshiresuperfastbroadband.com/about-the-project/live-cabinets/

Seems like our area has quietly, indeed silently, slipped back again. I'd thought it was supposed to be Phase 1 in 2014, then 2015 Q1, which has come and gone. Now it's some time between April and September. Maybe. Perhaps.

This line on the above page is a corker:

Even assuming that every cabinet has vectoring enabled from the start, which seems highly unlikely, Hampshire's VDSL implementation would seem to go beyond the laws of physics. Either that or the line here is the only one in Hampshire where the cable length is twice the physical distance.

We now have an FTTC cabinet!

DTMark · Mar 18, 2015

I'll start to get interested when I see the G.Fast node on the pole outside

Where have they put the cabinet - in the corner of the pub car park?

Last time I drove past they had slot cut the road to put the ducting in and left it like that for the weekend.

Gigabit · Mar 18, 2015

It's basically right next to the gate between the pub car park and Brocas Farm, if that makes sense. I don't think it's actually doing anything yet, there's still lots of "stuff" lying on the floor. They don't work very long days!

DTMark · Mar 19, 2015

When I drove past it earlier there were two Openreach people working.

One appeared to be putting the electronics into the VDSL cabinet and the other was in front of the phone cabinet looking at a massive jumble of ancient wires.

Gigabit · Mar 19, 2015

I wonder how long before it is live.

Looks like a Huawei (large) cab.

Gigabit · Mar 19, 2015

Looks like Upper Froyle will be getting fibre between 2016-2018...

http://www.hampshiresuperfastbroadband.com/about-the-project/project-areas/extension-to-95/

DTMark · Mar 20, 2015

It's supposed to be live within the next 11 days.

The people moving in to the new development will be pleased then, if that's true.

I've already been contacted about the lack of broadband there. That's an awfully long time to wait for fixed line, I've volunteered to go up there with my MBB router and see if it works up there for them.

Gigabit · Mar 20, 2015

What new development?

11 days? Doing some research, it looks to be at least three months between the cabinet being installed and orders becoming available.

DTMark · Mar 20, 2015

The one in Upper Froyle. People are buying houses assuming they will be able to get broadband, when the ADSL speed up there is between about 0.5 Meg and 2 Meg.

Lower Froyle is due for Q1 this year. That leaves 11 days for it to go live on time.

Gigabit · Mar 21, 2015

I am afraid that you are mistaken. The Hampshire CC website states: "New equipment will be installed in your area between April 2015 and September 2015."

Gigabit · Mar 21, 2015

People on the Treloars development are not going to see particularly good speeds from the cabinet's current location. I have to say that that cabinet is particularly badly sighted.

At least the pub will get decent speeds...

DTMark · Mar 21, 2015

Ah, so that's gone back again then - it was Q1 2015. Before that, it was some time in 2014 IIRC.

Lower Froyle is served by cabinet 3, covers the area as far as 'Manderley' though that's a long way from that cabinet and isn't likely to see much in the way of speed. That is the cabinet that is getting the VDSL twin, being done now.

Upper Froyle and the new development are served by cabinet 4 and may or may not get some upgrade at some point.

Even if the cabling were rerouted so that everyone were fed from cabinet 3, the VDSL cabinet is much too far from Upper Froyle to benefit them.

Pedrostech · Mar 21, 2015

Don't get too excited about the upgrades improving your speed though.
These videos sum up my feelings in some ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKg9ymHaVlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXE4Jvg-7m0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-v4c1VD1lQ

DTMark · Mar 21, 2015

If it were a superfast solution then the cabinet would need to have been placed near the village hall for Lower Froyle, and near 'The Barracks' for Upper Froyle - or sited on the new development.

However that would then have involved rerouting all the copper phone cabling to move the phone cabinets as well. Both cabs are in the worst places they could possibly be, both on the very outskirts of the area. By the time you get to that point, it would be much more sensible to lay a brand new FTTP loop.

Although the Think Broadband maps helpfully show the area as being green everywhere for superfast, they don't take line lengths into account. Alec's line to the cabinet is fairly short and so should see maybe 30 to 40 meg falling to perhaps 20 to 30 with crosstalk, give or take - impossible to predict. It may settle and remain at 40. The pub near cabinet 3 should see the full 76 Meg.

The line that comes here is 1.3km long as it goes gown the road and back up the other side, so 3G speeds; the houses further along this same lane will struggle to get much at all.

The line plant is generally ancient and poor quality though we can hope that the worst sections were on the E-sides (exchange to cabinet).

So let's just hope this isn't Hampshire's answer to "superfast broadband" and that this is only a small piece of the total work. We can hope, anyway. As VDSL is no substitute for 4G as it stands.

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